His Point of View

Hurt Enough?

by on Sep.25, 2009, under Dating and Relationships, Technology

brknhtToday, while commenting on someone’s Facebook status I came to this realization.  In general, women tend to continue to deal with repeated episodes of emotional pain , dis-satisfaction, or relationship disappointment when dealing with someone they are attracted to as long as they come in small portions at a time; while men typically have less of a problem with cutting ties early on in relationships if the lady is not “acting right”.  It seems that a lot of women ( not all) tend to put up with a lot, a lot, a lot of little things which they consider to be undesirable, and they allow it to build up until it all comes crashing down at some point which causes complete devastation and an emotional meltdown.  (I am sure I am not saying anything that you don’t already know…. but let’s discuss it maybe we can all learn from one another and come out as better people because of it.)

Why do you ladies allow this cycle to continue?  Why don’t women recognize when a guy is not a good match, or is not ready for a relationship and let the relationship go before allowing time for deeper emotional attachments to be formed.  I am not talking about the dude who you have been with for 2 years, and you hit a rough spot… but rather the dude you have been seeing for 1-2 months and you might see signs of trouble early on.  Why not cut off someone who you don’t see a positive future with before you invest too much of yourself in them?

What factors cloud the decision making process which should have caused you to let the other person go?

Before someone goes there I will say now, that I know men do the same things that I am saying women are known for…but in general I think women tend to have a harder time cutting and running when a new suitor is not really who they need to invest their time in.

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  • mytwocents

    Well the women who do this obviously value having something– anything to hold onto rather than nothing. Additionally, I think this is clearly a case where men get applauded for doing this (common sensical thing) whereas women are criticized for it. We get the “you want the perfect man, but he doesn't exist” line and other bs which basically suggests we need to deal rather than bail because we have unrealistic expectations. And because women tend to seek acceptance more and are more likely to be people pleasers, this sinks into some and they act accordingly…

    This is a really good post. You should send this to Wisey and have her link to your site too. :)

  • mrggfep

    I take issue with this whole idea of men getting applauded for this… whil women get downed for that.

    I have yet to walk down the street and get a pat on the back or applause for my actions in my dating life. People put too much value on what others think, or even worse what one feels that others may think. You need to live your life based on what’s right/best, and not worry about what others think, or might think. At the end of the day you are responsible for your own happiness, so let the world think what it wants.
    But as we all know there are times when we must stop and listen to what others say, but its not hard to determine good advice from nonsense and rumor.

  • mawilliams24

    There are a few reasons why women are driven to make even the worst situations work. I will list the top three but understand that there are many more issues that make women seek relationships that are not good for them.
    1. Poor relationships with men during their formative years causes them to repeat what they saw growing up. It has been proven many times over that women who were not raised with a positive and involved father figure have difficulty in relationships. Relationship building is a learned behavior. Women whose were raised without fathers don’t grow up with exposure to what a healthy relationship should be. Most of our knowledge and understanding of relationships is formed through observation. If there are no healthy relationships to observe, there won’t be any cognitive knowledge upon which to draw when it is time to have their own relationships. Unfortunately, these women who see their mothers in unhealthy relationships or no relationships tend to repeat the pattern. The first man from whom a woman seeks positive affirmation is her father. If there is no father, there is very little positive affirmation. I learned this about myself the $120 per hour way but I don’t regret spending the money to learn why certain types of relationships were difficult for me.
    2. A desire to nurture. When it comes to women and relationships, they want to nurture and grow that relationship. Women are natural nurturers and we hate to fail in that area. Women need to be needed. In other words, women need to feel that the people in their lives value the relationships as much as they do. I call this the reciprocity complex. We feel that just because we are making the effort to put this much into something, the other people involved should do the same. We want to feel successful at something and because relationships need to be nurtured, we feel that this is an area in which we should naturally excel.
    3. Poor self-esteem. We have all heard this one a million times. Women who grow up with poor self-images tend to cling to anything that comes their way. Often, when a young girl is consistently chosen over her friends, she develops a confidence that reassures her that she can be socially accepted (again, this is the positive affirmation that most women get from their fathers). During the teenage years, if a girl sees her friends or other girls being admired by the opposite sex and she is constantly teased and made to feel awkward or just completely ignored, she feels less desirable and somewhat unattractive and these feelings continue into adulthood if they go unchecked (another problem from which I suffered). I was viciously teased about being too thin, wearing glasses, braces, being too dark, etc. It wasn’t until my senior year in high school that someone said that I was cute or pretty so I tried to hold on to that relationship as long as I could. Needless to say, it didn’t work out.
    Those are three very popular reasons to why a woman might continue to stick around although it looks bleak early on.
    This was a great post. I will leave you and your readers with these thoughts…
    Once some women become damaged goods, they are never really the same afterward. They either try harder or shut down. One of the most damaging things a man can do to a woman’s self-esteem is cheat on her. Once a woman experiences this, she either shuts down or tries harder in her next relationship. They feel disrespected and undesirable. Some women have the foresight to take themselves out of the game until they recover but this reaction to the pain usually comes with experience. The best thing for both parties is complete honesty and full disclosure. Women need to let a man know their intentions for the relationship upfront. If a man does not want to be exclusive with a woman, he needs to tell her that upfront. Do not string her along. The moment a man feels something for another woman if he is attempting to be exclusive, be honest with yourself and others. Emotional infidelity is real. Women often know when a relationship is headed down the drain. Women need to trust their instincts and learn to let go and understand it is not a failure or a reflection of your character if a relationship does not work out. Honesty is the best policy and it helps a person to feel respected.

  • mrggfep

    @maWilliams24 Wow, I can say that I never knew much of the things you described about your past situations. and you have shed some light on things I have seen in other relationships and experienced in my own.
    One thing I must clarify is my feelings on emotional cheating. I can say that I have cheated physically in a past relationship, but I also have been cheated on emotionally in more than one relationship. I think some people think its all good as long as there is no sex involved, but in my mind I care more about the emotional cheating because that is a very clear sign that you do not want to be in your relationship any longer. Cheating sexually is very bad, but often when men cheat is is not at all related to how much we love our mate. In fact we may very well be in love with a woman who we have cheated on… but I must add that if a guy cheats repeatedly and or frequently then he may be fooling himself and he may not really be in love. I am a firm believer that we as adults have full control over every decision we make, and we must decide to accept the conseq

  • mrggfep

    @maWilliams24 Wow, I can say that I never knew much of the things you described about your past situations. and you have shed some light on things I have seen in other relationships and experienced in my own.
    One thing I must clarify is my feelings on emotional cheating. I can say that I have cheated physically in a past relationship, but I also have been cheated on emotionally in more than one relationship. I think some people think its all good as long as there is no sex involved, but in my mind I care more about the emotional cheating because that is a very clear sign that you do not want to be in your relationship any longer. Cheating sexually is very bad, but often when men cheat is is not at all related to how much we love our mate. In fact we may very well be in love with a woman who we have cheated on… but I must add that if a guy cheats repeatedly and or frequently then he may be fooling himself and he may not really be in love. I am a firm believer that we as adults have full control over every decision we make, and we must decide to accept the consequences.

  • celise

    Women and their level of tolerance registers nowhere near a man's. I don't think there's one particular definition as to why women won't bail at the early signs of bullcrapism. I, for one, do not and will not tolerate anything I know a man won't. I do not and will not tolerate less than what I deserve. However, the negative aspect of that and what I hear all the time is that I'm too cold and too hard. The last guy asked me “who made you like this?” Made me like what? My first experience of his story not adding up, I for the benefit and in an effort to do “coupledom”, did not say anything….trying to display “trust.” The second time this type incident occured, I blatantly said, I'm coming to find out you're a liar. He was taken aback. In keeping with your question, I've been told by a very close girlfriend because I was groomed and reared around men and a strong father presence, I have an advantage over women that are not or have not been. She went on further to say without positive male influence, a woman won't know the tell tale signs until she's experienced enough wrongs to recognize. I can't quite buy that because you should know and feel you deserve nothing but the best and when that's not being offered, you wouldn't recognize? In this person's case, she said she didn't recognize until she was just plainly fed up with being mistreated and about 20 years into relationshipism. Another example, I have a coworker that seemingly (because I'm on the outside looking in) is trying to make a relationship exist between she and a friend in which case and from what she reveals, he's doesn't seem receptive. She's constantly trying things that will engage the both of them and he's resisted throughout their so-call friendship in taking the bait. Meaning, she'll buy something and ask him to come buy to pick up, she'll make plans and invite him along, etc. He's refused and is refusing always with the excuse of he's a minister and being around her will tempt him. Huh? In the world where I was raised that one deserves BS being called. In her world, she's asking me what can she do so that they're not physically tempted…again, huh? How many times will she hear this before coming to her senses. So, that being said, I don't think there's a definitive because women that have been or are being mistreated or treated less than deserved are from different walks and rearings in life. I can maybe lean to what was suggested to me but I cannot say that's the underlying cause or disconnect.

  • celise

    One more….In any case, walking away from someone you have so many feelings for, knowing he's not a good wear on you was one of the hardest things I've done. I did it because I knew it was the right thing to do but I dang sure didn't want to. Maybe therein lies the answer or at least a peek into “why.”

  • mrggfep

    For the sake of argument, how do you determine the difference between “bull****” and a person who just has things going on in thier life which you do not find to be ordinary, when you are just starting out in the dating process? Is there anything beyond your “gut feeling”?

  • celise

    The difference, I believe lies in being excluded or included. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that your mate or potential have other happenings aside from the ordinary. It seems natural to me to include or share. I don't mean ride along for every event or happening but why not? In an effort to move towards coupledom, would it not be a step in the right direction making all things inclusive? To be constantly told, over a period of time that “you can't” engage or be engaged for whatever reasons would be a red flag. It's the old adage that men make time for woman they're interested or pursuing. That's the point I was initially making. No, I don't have a problem making and giving space for something extraordinary in your life, especially something that existed for you prior to me or “us” but in order to move forward and towards a goal, something's gotta give. If your extraordinary cannot include me, even if not bs, it's time to rethink things.

  • mrggfep

    good point.

  • mrggfep

    good point.

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